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Of this business with New York Magazine hiring The Gawker's Elizabeth Spiers.
Here is some Jason Calacanis spew about it, for what it is worth. For some reason the related links don't show up on the permalink, and no RSS feed or comments, and he thinks it is a blog, but I won't go there...
calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry...35558/
This page has the related links at the bottom.
calacanis.weblogsinc.com/
Anyway, I'd be interested in what y'all think.
Here is some Jason Calacanis spew about it, for what it is worth. For some reason the related links don't show up on the permalink, and no RSS feed or comments, and he thinks it is a blog, but I won't go there...
calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry...35558/
This page has the related links at the bottom.
calacanis.weblogsinc.com/
Anyway, I'd be interested in what y'all think.
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Re: What do you think?
10/08Oh, just to add one more thing. For the folks who were looking at using genre as a frame for writing papers on blog, The Gawker and The Kicker do represent an interesting approach to genre that begs for rhetorical criticism.
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10/09Oh, and then there is the bit about Google AdSense, and PVRblog, article is called "Blogging for Dollars."
Another interesting perspective.
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10/09Hmmm. That was interesting, thanks for pointing us/me to it. I'm probably the privileged luddite of the group, but the presence and use of ads does drive me off many places on the Net. I'm already struggling with annoyance at having to log in to 6+ sites in order to cover my basic communication (email accounts + blogs and now Tribe.net) that the extra clicking or wait time required by ads leaves me with less time and interest in getting to the point via an ad-infested website.
At the same time I understand the desire/need to cover one's costs. I don't know if many of the places I visit use textads or if I'm just good at blocking them out...
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10/09I see your point about all the logins, Anna.
I guess I'm working with the tribe concept here because when I was at Clemson, I regularly got 200-400 emails a day, and this before the spam glut really hit.
So I'm harping on this thing about email being a dying hangover from command line interfaces. I'm even starting to suspect that email is more like "Push" than most things, and I'm an old listserv fan from way back. I hated Usenet. Some of my best experiences online have been on plain old majordomo listservs.
But I'm wanting to take email nonlinear and move it out of the realm of "push." I want to displace chronology from the center and find an interface that makes people the center.
The earthlink spam filter they want me to set on the highest level (and I refuse) is the same basic principle as tribe, but without people in the center. Basically you select the only people you are willing to receive email from.
As Emily Dickinson said, "A Soul Selects her Own Society..."
So I figure, leave email as the big catch all bucket. Let it run in the background and I'll clean the silt out every so often. Tribe notices show up in regular email boxes anyway.
But when I go into tribe, I know there will be NO spam. I know there will never be 200+ messages. And I know every message will be from people I have hand picked, people I would rather talk to, rather than whoever it was who sent me the email last, pushing the folks I want to talk to up off the screen.
It's a reverse filter. On email, it catches everything, and you filter the spam OUT. On tribe, the interface is the filter, and you chose who gets in in the first place. And you can set layers of attention, what they mean by trust networks. So your closest network, and messages from those folks, are the messages you check first, then a layer outward, and so on.
That puts valuable relationships where they belong, in the center.
You see a guy in here, Jeff Moreland? He is one of my very favorite people on the face of this earth. And he'd be the first to tell you I am a terribly absent-minded email correspondent. He knows better than most people. I was always overwhelmed, despite my best intentions. But on here, we are talking, discussing things, without all those distractions like before.
Soon I will make a personal, invisible and private tribe called "Family," and start bringing my relatives in. This will be a way to separate talking with them out from the spam circus as well.
I see blog updates and news feed readers as a way to monitor and keep up with official correspondence and group news (even, shhh, one-to-many), while trust networks and layers can put relationships in the center. These two things, hand in hand, could displace email, is what I'm thinking.
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But when I go into tribe, I know there will be NO spam. I know there will never be 200+ messages. And I know every message will be from people I have hand picked, people I would rather talk to, rather than whoever it was who sent me the email last, pushing the folks I want to talk to up off the screen.
Perhaps we are heading into a heterogenues environement with separate isles of good interconnectivity in the sea of communication corrupted by spam. With the hope that each isle will be a too small target for spammers. But this is not a good solution. I hope for a unified, universal environement where I would have complete control over the incoming information and I could contact everybody I need just like with email now with the only constraint cast by his own will. -
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10/12And am I too cynical in wondering how long it will be before (perhaps some updated form of) spam finds it way into places like tribe?
You're right, isles are not a good solution. I'm not sure how many separate islands I could stay in touch with, or for how long. I suppose there would be one or two isles that would become my home and I'd take occasional trips to various others (monthly, yearly?).
Does Tribe have the potential to bring islands back together? Maybe. I'm already trying to see if I can encourage some of my lj friends over here. Many of them are already invested in the lj-way of doing things (like I am with pine email) and the effort to travel over here may not yet be worth it despite the promise of the gorgeous scenery over here. (Yipes with the metaphorical outburst!) -
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10/13I don't think tribe can solve the problem and I don't want it to. To explain I don't believe a site can host whole information exchange in the Internet (it would have to become the Internet), and I don't want one subject to control the whole information exchange.
I hope for a distributed environement. I think FOAF can lead to this.
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10/12Chris,
Thanks! That puts another spin on it for me. I've been a big fan of 'push' technologies and likewise chose listservs over usenet and had failed to recognize tribe as putting people at the center as you point out. You're right. I started out with a group blog on lj and one of my favorite things to do most days is to pull up my "friends" page and read and comment on what they've been up to. I've been trying to raise the idea of a family blog -- maybe I'll follow your lead and suggest Tribe instead. Hmmmm!
I still use pine email (secure shell) because it gives me the fastest access and does a great job of protecting me from viruses (and because I am, as previously noted, a bit of a luddite :-). But the only account that I can access that way is 80-97% spam now.
I'll have to take this nugget home and chew on it for a while. I'm starting to think of my annoyance at having all these accounts to check as perhaps a temporary issue as we shift to more tribe-like environments. The burdens of being an early adopter ;-)? -
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10/12I don't think it is possible to use Pine and still be a "bit of a Luddite" LOL!
Pine never did work right on my old classic Mac in 1991, when I was first wrassling with it. I've had a bias against it ever since. Probably the same reason emacs and vi give me fits as well.
Chris
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10/13Yo Chris, thanks for the plug. Here's an interesting tid-bit: by 2007 there will be an estimated 57.6 billion Spam messages per DAY! (cyberatlas.internet.com/big_pi....html).
But does this really come as a surprise? Someone suggested earlier that People are the center of the internet, but we all know that is not true (by true I mean actually true not some idealized truth). Money is by far the center of the Internet; who am I kidding, Money is the center of everything in our culture. Sad, but true I'm afraid. Money will continue to rule our lives until we move past our dependency on it and evolve to a "higher being" (beam me up Scotty). It is no secret that in order to make Money you have to have people buy your shit (or buy it, eat it, digest it, and sell it as their own shit). It therefore makes perfect sense that Money is going to follow the masses. Just look at all the traditional mass medias: every TV show has 8 minutes of commercials (we learned to live with it); every day (except Sunday) we receive "junk mail" in our physical USPS mail boxes (we learned to live it); every day (including Sunday) we receive telephone calls from telemarketers (we learned to live it). So it is only logical that as the masses moved to email, so did the Money. The only real way to kill Spam: kill the Money. The only real way to kill the Money: kill the People⦠-
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10/13ah, but money isn't the center of MY culture.
and, at risk of constant repetition, Emily Dickinson said:
"A Soul Selects her own Society
And shuts the door on the Divine Majority..."
Or elsewhere: "Publication is the Auction of the Mind of Man..."
Or elsewhere: "Much Madness is Divinest Sense
To a Discerning Eye
Much Sense, the starkest Madness.
Tis the Majority
In this as all prevail.
Assent and you are sane
Demur, you're straightway dangerous
And handled with a chain."
Chris ---could go on and on quoting her auntie em...
ooh ooh, I'm on a roll, will she forgive my screwed up capitalizations?
I heard a fly buzz when I died
a narrow fellow in the grass
her breast was fit for pearls
a still volcano life
it sifts from leaden sieves
I like to see it lap the miles
I started early took my dog
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